Because Denise was leaving, Pete would have to leave too. 17990 Midway Rd, Dallas, Texas, 75287. . This material may be protected by copyright law (Title 17 U.S. Code). Theyre upholding the status quo (sexism). Pete Briscoe is the real deal as are his lovely parents. * For the record, thatd be Mary Baker Eddy and Ellen G. White. . I hope everyone has a nice Friday. We all grieve to differing levels of felt hurt. Did the Apostle Pauls divine task, understanding and directive include women in church leadership? In the ensuing years, I was involved in watching another church handle a conflict in such a poor manner that I felt I had entered the Twilight Zone. I will listen to it again another day. I had rather see people and churches openly look elsewhere and truthfully admit what they are doing than see them distort scripture to make it say what they want it to say. Plus, life honestly goes better if you avoid those pitfalls. What about people who struggle with a variety of issues that can cause thought processes to change. The Bible is still absolutely necessarily to understand who God is, what God desires for us, and how we are to live, yet a doctrine of inerrancy is not needed to affirm that God has, through the Word, spoken to us in these ways. If women, then why not LGBTQ people? Are you up for it, Denny? Pete Briscoe | Brookfield WI I hold the church would have failed miserably without women, it actually would not exist. Yet it would also be wrong to say that priests, in terms of authority, are equal to the laity. I heard wonderful things about you back then. There was the potluck and birthday cake, for her 70 something Birthday, afterwards and the pastor led the prayer and again did not ask her to speak. I was startled and mumbled something about me being a woman. The elders decided to back the class and asked the couple not to interfere since I was doing this withtheirpermission. Yes. For three days now, Ive been trying to get into the Assemblies of God web site to copy a link to their position paper on Women in the Ministry. I heard about M in the 70s. I say run dont walk from the control freaks. as if its insupportable (as Mr. Darcy might say). @ Friend: Our views are grounded in scripture, as complementarianism is not a valid reading of the Bible. I know many of the folks at Bent Tree and enjoy them as brethren. __ 1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Im not even sure Pete would label himself or our church as either egalitarian or complementarian. It is a lot harder to draw the line, if you even think that should be done, once the slippery slope has begun. Its complicated, depending on the denomination and even more so on the individual church. If there was one thing I thought was a bit weak it was his explanation of 1 Timothy 2, but maybe he was running out of time. So glad he encouraged you and you have encouraged the rest of us. 1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. Why Did Pete Briscoe Leave Bent Tree In the Spring of 2019, Pete stepped out of his role as senior Pastor at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship. This is just another reason why I think it is so dangerous to have a set apart clergy class that we look to- to call out abuse from other pastors or for answers on extremely divisive questions or policies. Hope to hear from you in an email. I cannot see how a marriage could possibly succeed unless one or the other actually converted from their heart beforehand. However, Ican assure you that there are a myriad of beliefs on secondary issueswithin thisdiverse congregation. No one in the church, outside of our little group, ever knew what had transpired and unity was restored. We believe the Scriptures are to be interpreted in a normal and literal way and that they are understood as the believer is guided by the Spirit of God. He could not fathom how aspiring pastors could be both so cruel toher. We are actually seeing that right now with the new focus on testosterone. On the other hand, strict adherence to the words of scripture and ignoring the cultural aspects and/or ignoring that some values in scripture seem almost contradictory to each other, can lead to what we are seeing with the neo-cal movement. The bible says certain things which have been dissected extensively about homosexual behavior (among other things) things which are limited in scope compared to the current issues on this topic and which are heavily influenced (or so the argument goes) by the culture of the day. To affirm inerrancy, I feel, is to uplift the divinity of the Scriptures at the expense of the human process of writing, composition, and audience of each particular book. In the third century the Roman emperor Diocletian demanded that churches turn over their Bibles. In fact, the action itself was justified but was handled in such a way that outsiders could make assumptions that might be reasonable but were not true. Also, anyone who mentions headship in a serious fashion from here on out is going on my list. 1. This is a sad story for me to write. One always knew when Joanne was in the building since her passage through the building was marked by laughter and lots and lots of hugs. manipulating people into believing comp-schmomp is on par with the likes of the Nicene creed, the Reformation, what it is to be protestant, evangelical and christian by a subtle shift in language. So, I think that the slippery slope was the sexism in the first place. What about people who are not married, either straight or LGBTQ who admit that they are sexually active. The laity may not hear Confessions and pronounce Absolution. Better yet, I can say that my husband and I felt quite close to Pete. Looking elsewhere for historical information may not be a bad idea once people begin talking about culture this and culture that, but the distorting and/or editing of scripture is off bounds in my book. These roles are giving and sacrificial, not because they are mandated, but because the way of selfless love is to want the good of the other for the sake of the other, as modeled by the Lord Christ Himself. How blessed I am to have known you. Im genuinely interested, because I always want to make sure that my beliefs are in line with scripture. As an Egalitarian who has been in complementarian churches for years, Ive been there. I guess Im part of the slippery slope. "We can never diminish the value of these people as we do lead them through the process of discipline and with the principles of restoration," he said. This church sounds wonderful. The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for statistical purposes. Theres no middle ground on that question. Blessings on Bent Tree Bible Fellowship. But the 12 Apostles Were All Male 2. Furthermore, if the hermeneutical issues are as serious as I have indicated above, then it would be a matter of faithfulness for Christians to contend against such teaching. The bottom line for me is that the complementarian crowd does not exhibit the fruit of the spirit, and does exhibit the works of the flesh. manipulating peoples most deeply held beliefs. To see and hear mena stage full of mensharing a God-given conviction that God gives gifts to whom He will, both male and female, and that they are now acting on that conviction, is incredible. (Eph 3:15). So Pete helps people sort through these conflicts and feelings and plan for the future. Pete has offered to be available to help with the transition. Unless Im at the event because of my position (being invited to give a talk in my field, for example) I tell them not to use my title. We sat through some crazy teachings, but this was a Beloved Community. Joanne, as well as Pete, had a profound impact on view of gender roles in the church precisely because they are conservative in their view of the Bible. I think that the church is more like a family than a club, meaning that even if we disagree with one another on some issues and even hurt one another, as a family we do not abandon one another; and it is not like a club where members come and go and create new clubs as they please. I asked the Sunday school coordinator if they could continue the class into the Reformation. Also women are more easily deceived so you should trust and do anything a man at church tells you to do. In all seriousness, how would a church know someones sexual orientation? It's a disgrace. Feminism is at the root of so much evil today. I live in Elverson. I visited back in November! If we threw them out, how would they hear Gods Word and witness and experience Gods transforming love? It has taken me awhile to comment because Ive been speechless, thinking about all this. Their brief talk was a model of good disagreement. Ive long noticed that about adherents to the Catholic faith and I applaud it. Because a denial in principle of the moral authority of the NT commands is at the heart of the whole system, and because the system denies the historical accuracy of the creation account, I do not believe Webbs redemptive-movement hermeneutic should be accepted as a valid system for evangelicals today. This needs to be corrected immediately. We were all stunned at his insistence on doing the right thing, even though, superficially, it did appear that the church leadership had responded appropriately. For those who are very old and very young, and for those who may not have the strength to leave what no longer respects their integrity . The Dyers knew his parents, Stuart and Jill Briscoe from Elmbrook Church in Wisconsin, who had spoken at Willow on several occasions. Everyone was tense and there was obvious disagreement on all sides. . Skip to main content Due to a planned power outage on Friday, 1/14, between 8am-1pm PST, some services may be impacted. Sam wrote: A worship leader whose husband discovered she was having an affair was confronted by her pastor more than a year ago. I would simply highlight three concerns that I think are salient in this particular case. Some day in the distant future Dee will read email from me BEFORE reading the blog comments. Now let me say, however, that when a church starts deciding who can and who cannot be ordained to Holy Orders including the diaconate there is a slippery slope to be considered. Denny says, You may have people in the church who hold a complementarian position, but their views on the issue have no standing at all where male headship is denied in practice. She was the brightest woman I had ever met in the areas of theology, doctrine, church history and preaching. Pete served as the senior pastor at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Dallas . So yes, you will see the the marketing behind the issue change. As time went on, Joanne would be given the title of pastor and has preached many time from the pulpit of BTBF. I have a hard time feeling sorry for complementarians who are in more egalitarian churches. This way of reading scripture is precisely the kind of thing that Duncan warns about. Next year we are about to celebrate the 500th anniversary of the Protestant Reformation whos watch word was sola scriptura. Yes they do, and Muff is correct about the party line on conscience. those terms . I incorporated it into todays post: Being Egalitarian and Taking the Bible Seriously. 1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God. I so miss BTBF, Pete, Joanne and many others. Bent Tree Bible Fellowship is conservative in their doctrinal stance. The sin, he told his congregation, does not diminish anything the person has done in ministry. I am not trying to tell you what to do or even influence your decisions, but I am saying that it is wise to decide where you want your journey to ultimately lead before you start out down the path. Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth's media outreach. Thank you to the pastor of Bent Tree Fellowship for his faithfulness in believing that women to whom the Spirit has given gifts should be free to use them, for working so many years with those who did not hold that same belief, and for being so understanding of those who will find such a radical thing to be very hard. @ Max: What I was most impressed with was the interactions of Stuart and Jill with my teenage children. Inerrancy or egalitarianism, one or the other, eventually wins out. None of this takes me by surprise and I am incredibly proud to say that Ispent many years at this wonderful church. That was very perceptive of you to note. And God chose women to represent him and witness to the resurrection. He created marriage to bring us joy, so His instructions are well worth reading. Nope. Sadly I think SBC churches have been very concerned of being kicked out of their local associations if they ordain women deacons or pastors. But no, I was crushed to a heap of tears when my study was met with angry disdain. When I started to recover, I went to physical therapy. I know that you do not believe that such a thing is possible but I can assure you that it exists in this particular church. I think this point of view is mistaken. When she was restored, the worship leader sang "Amazing Grace" at the church. John. I always thought I was too dumb to understand stuff, but now Im learning Im pretty smart. Me too. Ha. 1K views, 37 likes, 6 loves, 1 comments, 8 shares, Facebook Watch Videos from Bent Tree Bible: "Bent Tree exists to be used by God as he transforms people into disciples of Jesus Christ here and. I believe the Bible is infallible. However, with a threat that the state convention would take away our building, the church voted, narrowly, to retain the men only provision. The first Sunday we attended the church, we introduced ourselves to Pete. He periodically has Simulcasts that New Calvinist pastors sign up for, as additional indoctrination into reformed belief and practice for their church members. I saw that too, and immediately thought of the neo-Cals. I went off on a slightly different path as I look at abuse in the church,but you will both always be part of my journey. It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door. After confronting the two, Powell disclosed the information to the congregation. Theirs are failed arguments that have been dealt with for years. Has Jesus Christ given new instructions to His church in the 21st century that supersede those found in Apostle Pauls New Testament letters? In short, it teaches readers to stand in judgement over scripture. Pete Briscoe was Senior Pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, TX for nearly 30 years. The current disagreements over womens ordination are similar in saying that while scripture does not specifically permit that role for women even so to deny it to women violates some other values which are found in scripture. Jesus didnt die He just decided to sin anyway. Now if you can find me some passages of scripture that actually teach men to lead rather than the making up of doctrines around the verses that say women submit, then I will revisit my 20 years of study on the equality of men and women in the pulpit and home. I just downloaded and havent had time to read it yet. I say all this because the slippery slope argument has no credibility if people are willing to engage in discussing not indoctrinating. 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